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	<title>Comments on: Ubuntu Users: Focused On the Wrong Market?</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Kirn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Kirn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 23:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just seems to me like more confusing &quot;Ubuntu&quot; and &quot;Linux.&quot;

The needs you have for a server distro are about the polar opposite of what you want in a desktop distro -- even assuming stability is paramount in both (when even that tends to be a different compromise).

Ubuntu would be my last choice for server distro because it makes just about all the wrong choices -- overaggressive adoption of new technology, not enough stability, etc. 

The Microsoft example is the exception that proves the rule. I don&#039;t think Microsoft&#039;s server OS has had that much of an impact on their desktop deployment. They have basically two OSes -- and many people deploy BSD / Linux over Windows because they feel the server OS doesn&#039;t fit their needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This just seems to me like more confusing &#8220;Ubuntu&#8221; and &#8220;Linux.&#8221;</p>
<p>The needs you have for a server distro are about the polar opposite of what you want in a desktop distro &#8212; even assuming stability is paramount in both (when even that tends to be a different compromise).</p>
<p>Ubuntu would be my last choice for server distro because it makes just about all the wrong choices &#8212; overaggressive adoption of new technology, not enough stability, etc. </p>
<p>The Microsoft example is the exception that proves the rule. I don&#8217;t think Microsoft&#8217;s server OS has had that much of an impact on their desktop deployment. They have basically two OSes &#8212; and many people deploy BSD / Linux over Windows because they feel the server OS doesn&#8217;t fit their needs.</p>
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		<title>By: JJC Bradshaw</title>
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		<dc:creator>JJC Bradshaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 02:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The server business is well covered by Linux already unless I am mistaken, but more effort in that direction is always good. I feel what should be tempered is the continuous release of newly numbered and named versions of Ubuntu and other Linux distributions. I would like to see some long-term stability in them. Microsoft had problems with Vista but is continually upgrading and learning from it since its release. 

I feel stability is extremely important and is not all a matter of perception. Any Linux newcomer who researches Ubuntu hesitates (as I did) at downing,burning and using a buggy,only-supported-for-18-months version of (place name here) when they can visit the site and down Arguing Aardvark a few months down the road? Stay put and make the next version of Ubuntu last. Iron out all the problems instead of racing ahead only to fall behind. Engender some commitment from potential new users by committing to them with some long-term stability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The server business is well covered by Linux already unless I am mistaken, but more effort in that direction is always good. I feel what should be tempered is the continuous release of newly numbered and named versions of Ubuntu and other Linux distributions. I would like to see some long-term stability in them. Microsoft had problems with Vista but is continually upgrading and learning from it since its release. </p>
<p>I feel stability is extremely important and is not all a matter of perception. Any Linux newcomer who researches Ubuntu hesitates (as I did) at downing,burning and using a buggy,only-supported-for-18-months version of (place name here) when they can visit the site and down Arguing Aardvark a few months down the road? Stay put and make the next version of Ubuntu last. Iron out all the problems instead of racing ahead only to fall behind. Engender some commitment from potential new users by committing to them with some long-term stability.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has Canonical brought to the Linux Server world that Redhat or Novell hasn&#039;t? 

Ubuntu&#039;s strengths are community and the desktop and they should play to those first and foremost, when... not if, some of those strengths result into major innovation on the server end then they would be a force to be recognised in the server world.

However I believe that too much focus on the server too early will ultimately harm the community and ground breaking innovation that&#039;s happening there and should ubuntu fail on the desktop, I don&#039;t see how they would hope to succeed on the server.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has Canonical brought to the Linux Server world that Redhat or Novell hasn&#8217;t? </p>
<p>Ubuntu&#8217;s strengths are community and the desktop and they should play to those first and foremost, when&#8230; not if, some of those strengths result into major innovation on the server end then they would be a force to be recognised in the server world.</p>
<p>However I believe that too much focus on the server too early will ultimately harm the community and ground breaking innovation that&#8217;s happening there and should ubuntu fail on the desktop, I don&#8217;t see how they would hope to succeed on the server.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with the author over against the readers.  Look, the server room is already the place where Linux generally is earning footprint in the marketplace.  Redhat and Novell have both built a business model on Linux, and have done well, though some purists have been put off by what they see as Novell&#039;s Mephistophelian pact with Microsoft.

But Ubuntu does stand to penetrate the server space right alongside Redhat and Novell.  Canonical has been very savvy in building incremental alliances with some not-insignificant names including IBM and HP.

I would not in any way denigrate the progress in the desktop space, but it will come more slowly - technology adoption takes a fairly predictable adoption pattern that follows an S-curve - Linux has not reached anywhere near the tipping point in the desktop space, but in many organizations is already becoming disruptive in the server space.  Many companies who are completely uninterested in Linux as a platform have Linux based technologies either in their server rooms or as embedded systems.  The latter technology I think is also poised to penetrate the marketplace for Linux more rapidly than in the desktop space, IMHO.

Look at the big names which have already certified Ubuntu server - Lotus Notes and DB2 do not have majority market share, to be sure, but neither are they insignificant players.

There&#039;s much more to be said, but in conclusion I&#039;m inclined to agree with Joe that the server space is lower hanging fruit for Canonical than the desktop space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with the author over against the readers.  Look, the server room is already the place where Linux generally is earning footprint in the marketplace.  Redhat and Novell have both built a business model on Linux, and have done well, though some purists have been put off by what they see as Novell&#8217;s Mephistophelian pact with Microsoft.</p>
<p>But Ubuntu does stand to penetrate the server space right alongside Redhat and Novell.  Canonical has been very savvy in building incremental alliances with some not-insignificant names including IBM and HP.</p>
<p>I would not in any way denigrate the progress in the desktop space, but it will come more slowly &#8211; technology adoption takes a fairly predictable adoption pattern that follows an S-curve &#8211; Linux has not reached anywhere near the tipping point in the desktop space, but in many organizations is already becoming disruptive in the server space.  Many companies who are completely uninterested in Linux as a platform have Linux based technologies either in their server rooms or as embedded systems.  The latter technology I think is also poised to penetrate the marketplace for Linux more rapidly than in the desktop space, IMHO.</p>
<p>Look at the big names which have already certified Ubuntu server &#8211; Lotus Notes and DB2 do not have majority market share, to be sure, but neither are they insignificant players.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s much more to be said, but in conclusion I&#8217;m inclined to agree with Joe that the server space is lower hanging fruit for Canonical than the desktop space.</p>
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		<title>By: F. Fellini</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/02/12/ubuntu-users-focused-on-the-wrong-market/comment-page-1/#comment-2932</link>
		<dc:creator>F. Fellini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a little confused here as to the parallels, or the lack thereof, drawn between the results of the survey and the direction of Canonical with respect to Ubuntu. I think They are doing a great job for the users as reflected in the survey, but for their shorter-term money goals that guard against bankruptcy. Server and Desktop markets segments are separate. In fact there are sub-markets withing those segments. Each sub-market requires individual treatment, like a samba PDC at a small office vs. a server farm.  Should Ubuntu emulate RedHat and SuSe? The problem I see with Linux (U R right) is, where it meets business, not enough is being done. We are all hoping to make money, and hopefully do some good, out of F/OSS in its various forms of engineering, software, business, etc, but that&#039;s a philosophical journey that we are all taking. Windows was all about integration and they invested a great deal giving what their users wanted. As proponents of Linux we need to delete the edges and polish the faces presented to users. We benefit from multiple distributions, remixes, variants, etc where we can deliver solutions. Microsoft does not have this, and also lacks the ability to deliver goodwill in the way Linux can. Some time ago I was reading about two market substitution/complements models, for example real networks server (market 1) makes more money in market 1 because the buyers have confidence in the ubiquity of the free player (market 2), than if both market were not free. Piracy is not as prevalent in the US, but consider the levels of piracy outside the US. For all the variety of reasons piracy is supported out there, there is a benefit in using Linux instead. That benefit can be monetized. Inexpensive distribution? Protection against piracy litigation? The warm feeling in your heart that you got something good for free and its legal? Then people can ultimately pay to support social benefits by opening up custom applications built for businesses. Ultimately intellectual property is protected and shared and turned into beneficial profit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a little confused here as to the parallels, or the lack thereof, drawn between the results of the survey and the direction of Canonical with respect to Ubuntu. I think They are doing a great job for the users as reflected in the survey, but for their shorter-term money goals that guard against bankruptcy. Server and Desktop markets segments are separate. In fact there are sub-markets withing those segments. Each sub-market requires individual treatment, like a samba PDC at a small office vs. a server farm.  Should Ubuntu emulate RedHat and SuSe? The problem I see with Linux (U R right) is, where it meets business, not enough is being done. We are all hoping to make money, and hopefully do some good, out of F/OSS in its various forms of engineering, software, business, etc, but that&#8217;s a philosophical journey that we are all taking. Windows was all about integration and they invested a great deal giving what their users wanted. As proponents of Linux we need to delete the edges and polish the faces presented to users. We benefit from multiple distributions, remixes, variants, etc where we can deliver solutions. Microsoft does not have this, and also lacks the ability to deliver goodwill in the way Linux can. Some time ago I was reading about two market substitution/complements models, for example real networks server (market 1) makes more money in market 1 because the buyers have confidence in the ubiquity of the free player (market 2), than if both market were not free. Piracy is not as prevalent in the US, but consider the levels of piracy outside the US. For all the variety of reasons piracy is supported out there, there is a benefit in using Linux instead. That benefit can be monetized. Inexpensive distribution? Protection against piracy litigation? The warm feeling in your heart that you got something good for free and its legal? Then people can ultimately pay to support social benefits by opening up custom applications built for businesses. Ultimately intellectual property is protected and shared and turned into beneficial profit.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/02/12/ubuntu-users-focused-on-the-wrong-market/comment-page-1/#comment-2929</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody Important: Stay tuned. I will see your Debian 5.0 and raise you with Ubuntu Server Edition&#039;s major news in a few days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody Important: Stay tuned. I will see your Debian 5.0 and raise you with Ubuntu Server Edition&#8217;s major news in a few days.</p>
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		<title>By: Nobody important</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nobody important</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear there&#039;s a new Linux server OS coming out soon...I can&#039;t quite remember it&#039;s name. Deb something. Debian. 5.0. Oh, yeah, that&#039;s right. Okay. Debian 5.0 is coming out soon.

So why does Ubuntu need a Server side, now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear there&#8217;s a new Linux server OS coming out soon&#8230;I can&#8217;t quite remember it&#8217;s name. Deb something. Debian. 5.0. Oh, yeah, that&#8217;s right. Okay. Debian 5.0 is coming out soon.</p>
<p>So why does Ubuntu need a Server side, now?</p>
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		<title>By: SilverWave</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverWave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:13:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets not forget Ubuntu Bug#1

&lt;a href=&quot;https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bug #1 (liberation): Microsoft has a majority market share [edit]&lt;/a&gt;

Quote:
Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.
This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.

Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world&#039;s population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.

Steps to repeat:

1. Visit a local PC store.

What happens:
2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed.
3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.

What should happen:
1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu.
2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all.
3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets not forget Ubuntu Bug#1</p>
<p><a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1" rel="nofollow">Bug #1 (liberation): Microsoft has a majority market share [edit]</a></p>
<p>Quote:<br />
Microsoft has a majority market share in the new desktop PC marketplace.<br />
This is a bug, which Ubuntu is designed to fix.</p>
<p>Non-free software is holding back innovation in the IT industry, restricting access to IT to a small part of the world&#8217;s population and limiting the ability of software developers to reach their full potential, globally. This bug is widely evident in the PC industry.</p>
<p>Steps to repeat:</p>
<p>1. Visit a local PC store.</p>
<p>What happens:<br />
2. Observe that a majority of PCs for sale have non-free software pre-installed.<br />
3. Observe very few PCs with Ubuntu and free software pre-installed.</p>
<p>What should happen:<br />
1. A majority of the PCs for sale should include only free software like Ubuntu.<br />
2. Ubuntu should be marketed in a way such that its amazing features and benefits would be apparent and known by all.<br />
3. The system shall become more and more user friendly as time passes.</p>
<p><a href="https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1" rel="nofollow">https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1</a></p>
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		<title>By: SilverWave</title>
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		<dc:creator>SilverWave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I will put my faith with Mark and his team, he is the man with a plan.

I think I can see part of it, use the desktop success to push the brand and gain trust, make money on the sever side eventually.

Redhat OWN the server side atm and you cant fight them head-on and win.
Windows server became popular to a large extent because of people being familiar with the desktop product.

Canonical are trying to commoditise the Sever side and eat Windows server alive - an ambitious goal;)

Also don&#039;t forget that the Desktop brings with it a huge Community and Mind share.

One last thought, a large scale success on the desktop helps get hardware manufactures to write drivers for Ubuntu. I still can not believe that Dell now sells PC&#039;s with Ubuntu installed! Big Win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I will put my faith with Mark and his team, he is the man with a plan.</p>
<p>I think I can see part of it, use the desktop success to push the brand and gain trust, make money on the sever side eventually.</p>
<p>Redhat OWN the server side atm and you cant fight them head-on and win.<br />
Windows server became popular to a large extent because of people being familiar with the desktop product.</p>
<p>Canonical are trying to commoditise the Sever side and eat Windows server alive &#8211; an ambitious goal;)</p>
<p>Also don&#8217;t forget that the Desktop brings with it a huge Community and Mind share.</p>
<p>One last thought, a large scale success on the desktop helps get hardware manufactures to write drivers for Ubuntu. I still can not believe that Dell now sells PC&#8217;s with Ubuntu installed! Big Win.</p>
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		<title>By: The Lord Himself</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Lord Himself</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a few simple reasons why I disagree with you:
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server
Red Hat Enterprise Linux
and all the rest.

Linux already does servers, and it does them very well!!
What it doesn&#039;t to super well is desktops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few simple reasons why I disagree with you:<br />
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server<br />
Red Hat Enterprise Linux<br />
and all the rest.</p>
<p>Linux already does servers, and it does them very well!!<br />
What it doesn&#8217;t to super well is desktops.</p>
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