Comments on: Enhanced Command-Not-Found Hook in Ubuntu 9.10 http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/17/enhanced-command-not-found-hook-in-ubuntu-910/ WorksWithU is the independent guide to Ubuntu Linux Wed, 10 Mar 2010 11:04:35 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Daniel http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/17/enhanced-command-not-found-hook-in-ubuntu-910/comment-page-1/#comment-7601 Daniel Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:47:24 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=957#comment-7601 I had to uninstall command-not-found because it caused my OpenSuse 11.1 to delay half a second each time I misspelled a command. I had to uninstall command-not-found because it caused my OpenSuse 11.1 to delay half a second each time I misspelled a command.

]]> By: Jef Spaleta http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/17/enhanced-command-not-found-hook-in-ubuntu-910/comment-page-1/#comment-5313 Jef Spaleta Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:39:10 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=957#comment-5313 @Natthu: There's a more fundamental discussion here. How important is cmdline access for day to day operations for people who are unfamiliar with an Ubuntu system? It's probably more than you realize. For example, a lot of peer community help that is available in a forum,mailinglist, blog, or irc log involves commandline usage. Since most avenues of community communication are essentially text based..commandline based instructions are more easily communicated in those mediums. Point and click instructions are difficult to communicate well outside of a screencast or image slideshow. If novice users reach out to a community support channel they are likely going to get a crash course in commandline usage as part of the lingo of peer support. From that point of view, this feature will lower the learning curve a bit and make it easier for people seeking out community support to make use of the instructions they find archived in places like a forum. -jef @Natthu:

There’s a more fundamental discussion here. How important is cmdline access for day to day operations for people who are unfamiliar with an Ubuntu system? It’s probably more than you realize.

For example, a lot of peer community help that is available in a forum,mailinglist, blog, or irc log involves commandline usage. Since most avenues of community communication are essentially text based..commandline based instructions are more easily communicated in those mediums. Point and click instructions are difficult to communicate well outside of a screencast or image slideshow.

If novice users reach out to a community support channel they are likely going to get a crash course in commandline usage as part of the lingo of peer support. From that point of view, this feature will lower the learning curve a bit and make it easier for people seeking out community support to make use of the instructions they find archived in places like a forum.

-jef

]]> By: Natthu http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/17/enhanced-command-not-found-hook-in-ubuntu-910/comment-page-1/#comment-5277 Natthu Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:55:07 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=957#comment-5277 Well, the feature is surely very useful and all. But i doubt how it will improve the user experience. Coz, whoever uses command line generally knows enough to not require anyone telling why the command was not found. Secondly, the help that is being shown wont help a non-geeky user IMHO. So, what i feel is that instead, Ubuntu should focus more on the GUI aspect than such petty things. I am sure there's a lot of scope for improvement in the GUI. Well, the feature is surely very useful and all. But i doubt how it will improve the user experience. Coz, whoever uses command line generally knows enough to not require anyone telling why the command was not found. Secondly, the help that is being shown wont help a non-geeky user IMHO.

So, what i feel is that instead, Ubuntu should focus more on the GUI aspect than such petty things. I am sure there’s a lot of scope for improvement in the GUI.

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]]> By: Jack http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/17/enhanced-command-not-found-hook-in-ubuntu-910/comment-page-1/#comment-5272 Jack Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:52:32 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=957#comment-5272 >>You will have to enable the component called 'universe' > It would be nice if the output were a little clearer about what a “component” is and how to enable it, but this is still helpful. Uh, no, it's not helpful. If the user already doesn't understand the simple message provided today, how could this more confusing message possibly help? Is this actually a problem? The output of command-not-found is already quite clear. Reminds me of the geniuses at Microsoft who created the annoying "Clippy" because they didn't think their users were smart enough to use the "Help" menu. >>You will have to enable the component called ‘universe’
> It would be nice if the output were a little clearer about what a “component” is and how to enable it, but this is still helpful.

Uh, no, it’s not helpful. If the user already doesn’t understand the simple message provided today, how could this more confusing message possibly help?

Is this actually a problem? The output of command-not-found is already quite clear.

Reminds me of the geniuses at Microsoft who created the annoying “Clippy” because they didn’t think their users were smart enough to use the “Help” menu.

]]> By: Arvigeus http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/17/enhanced-command-not-found-hook-in-ubuntu-910/comment-page-1/#comment-5270 Arvigeus Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:53:34 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=957#comment-5270 It would be even better if not only suggesting which missing package to install, but also doing it automatically: chris@chris-desktop:~$ aircrack-ng The program 'aircrack-ng' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: sudo apt-get install aircrack-ng Would you like to install it now? [Y/N] Although I think it should be a bit more different - not stopping for user input, probably caching it for afterward use: chris@chris-desktop:~$ y It would be even better if not only suggesting which missing package to install, but also doing it automatically:

chris@chris-desktop:~$ aircrack-ng
The program ‘aircrack-ng’ is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
sudo apt-get install aircrack-ng
Would you like to install it now? [Y/N]

Although I think it should be a bit more different – not stopping for user input, probably caching it for afterward use:
chris@chris-desktop:~$ y

]]> By: Hmm http://www.workswithu.com/2009/08/17/enhanced-command-not-found-hook-in-ubuntu-910/comment-page-1/#comment-5269 Hmm Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:50:49 +0000 http://www.workswithu.com/?p=957#comment-5269 Great! These are the kinds of things that Ubuntu needs to improve if Linux is ever going to be relevant on the desktop. An improvement: It should also output the AptURL link to install the package and enable the repository with a click. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptUrl#Enabling repositories) You can right-click links in the terminal to launch them. Fish shell's syntax highlighting and smarter tab completion would be a great addition, too, but there are unfortunately a large number of people who think unenhanced bash is the pinnacle of command line interaction. (Of course many of them install all kinds of helper scripts and configuration tweaks to make bash more usable for *themselves*, but they absolutely refuse to change the way it comes out of the box.) Great! These are the kinds of things that Ubuntu needs to improve if Linux is ever going to be relevant on the desktop.

An improvement: It should also output the AptURL link to install the package and enable the repository with a click. (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AptUrl#Enabling repositories) You can right-click links in the terminal to launch them.

Fish shell’s syntax highlighting and smarter tab completion would be a great addition, too, but there are unfortunately a large number of people who think unenhanced bash is the pinnacle of command line interaction. (Of course many of them install all kinds of helper scripts and configuration tweaks to make bash more usable for *themselves*, but they absolutely refuse to change the way it comes out of the box.)

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