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	<title>Comments on: Dell Ships Ubuntu 9.04 Systems Ahead of Windows 7 Launch</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/04/dell-launches-ubuntu-904-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-6037</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 03:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really nice to see a major manufacturer supporting Linux, but without any ad support, do they really expect them to sell?

You can&#039;t find the Ubuntu systems without looking for them. If you&#039;re in the know, you already know how to install Ubuntu yourself on your computer of choice, and it&#039;s an even easier process than installing Windows so there&#039;s little benefit to a factory install.

There&#039;s no retail presence for these laptops, where giving consumers hands on time might convince them its a good buy.

So only geeks see these laptops with Ubuntu, and the only incentive a geek would have to buy a laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled would be a lower price. Which may not even be possible with XP starter edition&#039;s reduced cost, the paid Ubuntu support, and the cost of codec license fees on Ubuntu.
In light of how little profit Dell could hope to get out of Ubuntu, an offering like this is extremely impressive. But they need to make a serious push into getting these systems out in the public eye if they want to pull off a Mac style PC-alternative, but from Dell.
(more interesting models with ubuntu pre-installed would be nice too, how about extending it across the entire lineup, even if they&#039;re still sold on a dell sub-site ghetto)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really nice to see a major manufacturer supporting Linux, but without any ad support, do they really expect them to sell?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t find the Ubuntu systems without looking for them. If you&#8217;re in the know, you already know how to install Ubuntu yourself on your computer of choice, and it&#8217;s an even easier process than installing Windows so there&#8217;s little benefit to a factory install.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no retail presence for these laptops, where giving consumers hands on time might convince them its a good buy.</p>
<p>So only geeks see these laptops with Ubuntu, and the only incentive a geek would have to buy a laptop with Ubuntu preinstalled would be a lower price. Which may not even be possible with XP starter edition&#8217;s reduced cost, the paid Ubuntu support, and the cost of codec license fees on Ubuntu.<br />
In light of how little profit Dell could hope to get out of Ubuntu, an offering like this is extremely impressive. But they need to make a serious push into getting these systems out in the public eye if they want to pull off a Mac style PC-alternative, but from Dell.<br />
(more interesting models with ubuntu pre-installed would be nice too, how about extending it across the entire lineup, even if they&#8217;re still sold on a dell sub-site ghetto)</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/04/dell-launches-ubuntu-904-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-5823</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 13:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, there is a new high end laptop (Studio XPS 13) now in the US site:

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&amp;cs=19&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, there is a new high end laptop (Studio XPS 13) now in the US site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&amp;cs=19&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs" rel="nofollow">http://www.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/linux_3x?c=us&amp;cs=19&amp;l=en&amp;s=dhs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/04/dell-launches-ubuntu-904-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-5822</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW: I ordered yesterday a refurb Dell Mini Vostro 9 with Ubuntu, let&#039;s see how it works! I&#039;ll keep you guys posted :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW: I ordered yesterday a refurb Dell Mini Vostro 9 with Ubuntu, let&#8217;s see how it works! I&#8217;ll keep you guys posted <img src='http://www.workswithu.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/04/dell-launches-ubuntu-904-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-5745</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 16:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jef #31: they are evidently planning, because there have been a few version already, coming from different insiders. Still no charm, but there will be news I am sure within a month or two ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jef #31: they are evidently planning, because there have been a few version already, coming from different insiders. Still no charm, but there will be news I am sure within a month or two &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zac</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/04/dell-launches-ubuntu-904-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-5729</link>
		<dc:creator>Zac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I purchased the Dell Latitude 2100 with Ubuntu 9.04 pre-installed and I am extremely happy with it. Highly recommended.

Do you know if Dell is planning on releasing any more Ubuntu machines in Australia?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I purchased the Dell Latitude 2100 with Ubuntu 9.04 pre-installed and I am extremely happy with it. Highly recommended.</p>
<p>Do you know if Dell is planning on releasing any more Ubuntu machines in Australia?</p>
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		<title>By: Jef Spaleta</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/04/dell-launches-ubuntu-904-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-5712</link>
		<dc:creator>Jef Spaleta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dell ubuntu desktop systems by this weekend in the US store according to Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols  latest blog.

And while he doesn&#039;t quote the name of his source..but he did say it was a source from inside the Dell corporate fenceline. 

-jef</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dell ubuntu desktop systems by this weekend in the US store according to Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols  latest blog.</p>
<p>And while he doesn&#8217;t quote the name of his source..but he did say it was a source from inside the Dell corporate fenceline. </p>
<p>-jef</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/04/dell-launches-ubuntu-904-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-5706</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jozavg: yes, I agree with all you said. But because of the fixed cost of producing the first iso, it is reasonable for them to try to break even sort of soon, and then start having a profit.

In the end, what worries me is that part of the motivation for hardware vendors to support linux is that this makes them look good in the eyes of a worlwide army of geeks who are, either now or in the future, pretty influential in the tech sector. If we bitch against anyone trying to support us, well, this will offset the motivations to give us support, and potentially result in less hardware running Linux.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jozavg: yes, I agree with all you said. But because of the fixed cost of producing the first iso, it is reasonable for them to try to break even sort of soon, and then start having a profit.</p>
<p>In the end, what worries me is that part of the motivation for hardware vendors to support linux is that this makes them look good in the eyes of a worlwide army of geeks who are, either now or in the future, pretty influential in the tech sector. If we bitch against anyone trying to support us, well, this will offset the motivations to give us support, and potentially result in less hardware running Linux.</p>
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		<title>By: josvazg</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/09/04/dell-launches-ubuntu-904-systems/comment-page-1/#comment-5693</link>
		<dc:creator>josvazg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Leo

That&#039;s interesting... I thought once you had a disk image per model for Win/Linux it was just a matter of &quot;burning&quot; one or the other into your systems &#039;going out of the door&#039;. It is even easier to do this on Linux, as it does not have the license protections based upon &#039;modified hardware&#039;.

AND, once the driver stuff (if any) is shorted out, the cost of one person preparing a Linux image should be even lower to creating the Windows one, because win windows all extras have to be installed BY HAND afterwards (including the PC drivers as well)

(I can understand it could be a bit more expensive at the begining, but now it&#039;s not the begining anymore)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Leo</p>
<p>That&#8217;s interesting&#8230; I thought once you had a disk image per model for Win/Linux it was just a matter of &#8220;burning&#8221; one or the other into your systems &#8216;going out of the door&#8217;. It is even easier to do this on Linux, as it does not have the license protections based upon &#8216;modified hardware&#8217;.</p>
<p>AND, once the driver stuff (if any) is shorted out, the cost of one person preparing a Linux image should be even lower to creating the Windows one, because win windows all extras have to be installed BY HAND afterwards (including the PC drivers as well)</p>
<p>(I can understand it could be a bit more expensive at the begining, but now it&#8217;s not the begining anymore)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Panettieri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Panettieri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 13:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments, folks. I see a lot of mixed opinions on Dell -- particularly readers from outside the U.S. who want far better/more Dell/Ubuntu options. I will continue to offer that feedback to Dell during my briefings with the PC company.

And we&#039;ll continue to point out other system vendors (System76, ZaReason, etc.) that are working hard to meet Ubuntu mobile, desktop and server demand in multiple countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments, folks. I see a lot of mixed opinions on Dell &#8212; particularly readers from outside the U.S. who want far better/more Dell/Ubuntu options. I will continue to offer that feedback to Dell during my briefings with the PC company.</p>
<p>And we&#8217;ll continue to point out other system vendors (System76, ZaReason, etc.) that are working hard to meet Ubuntu mobile, desktop and server demand in multiple countries.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 11:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@josvazg: it&#039;s been discussed over and over. The cost, to Dell, of producing an ubuntu netbook is NOT cero (even though the software is available free of charge). If they were able to sell them in mass productions, as it happened with the original eeepc&#039;s, then the cost does approach zero. 

But I agree with you, all hardware vendors are held back hostage by MS, until they can free themselves, which explains why IBM, Dell, HP, Intel, AMD/ATI and most big players are trying to support/promote Linux to a larger or smaller extent ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@josvazg: it&#8217;s been discussed over and over. The cost, to Dell, of producing an ubuntu netbook is NOT cero (even though the software is available free of charge). If they were able to sell them in mass productions, as it happened with the original eeepc&#8217;s, then the cost does approach zero. </p>
<p>But I agree with you, all hardware vendors are held back hostage by MS, until they can free themselves, which explains why IBM, Dell, HP, Intel, AMD/ATI and most big players are trying to support/promote Linux to a larger or smaller extent &#8230;</p>
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