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	<title>Comments on: Previewing Gnome Shell in Ubuntu</title>
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		<title>By: Nico</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/11/03/previewing-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6816</link>
		<dc:creator>Nico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 08:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m exchanging ideas in  Gnome shell mailing list and from the discussions I see and the idea we exchange, I can tell it&#039;s going to be much much nicer than what we already have. There&#039;s discussions of context and saving sets of applications, tabs with customized views etc... It&#039;s all a big brain storm but there&#039;s a lot of good out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m exchanging ideas in  Gnome shell mailing list and from the discussions I see and the idea we exchange, I can tell it&#8217;s going to be much much nicer than what we already have. There&#8217;s discussions of context and saving sets of applications, tabs with customized views etc&#8230; It&#8217;s all a big brain storm but there&#8217;s a lot of good out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: F. Fellini</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/11/03/previewing-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6724</link>
		<dc:creator>F. Fellini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i must say it looks pretty slick in that video. Looks like its quite focused on getting people more productive without the usual distractions that all the 3d enabled concepts that different OSes introduced in the past few years.

However I can&#039;t help but wonder whether by trying to clean up the desktop we are now adding significantly to the depth of hidden features under a series of menus while the direction of UI should be to unearth them and make them more accessible to users.

Take clicking a button that reveals the features that were already in the old gnome panel to begin with, then opening more features that bury yet more menus. I has the appearance of regression. I guess I can&#039;t complain until I get to use Gnome 3 on a regular basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i must say it looks pretty slick in that video. Looks like its quite focused on getting people more productive without the usual distractions that all the 3d enabled concepts that different OSes introduced in the past few years.</p>
<p>However I can&#8217;t help but wonder whether by trying to clean up the desktop we are now adding significantly to the depth of hidden features under a series of menus while the direction of UI should be to unearth them and make them more accessible to users.</p>
<p>Take clicking a button that reveals the features that were already in the old gnome panel to begin with, then opening more features that bury yet more menus. I has the appearance of regression. I guess I can&#8217;t complain until I get to use Gnome 3 on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Jo-Erlend Schinstad</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/11/03/previewing-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6711</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo-Erlend Schinstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 10:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie: We do have a distro that uses two panels and is suitable for older hardware. It&#039;s called Xubuntu. Xfce is really quite nice, and a very good alternative to GNOME. It would be nice with an even lighter alternative using LXDE. 

neo: I think you&#039;re missing the point. Investment has nothing to do with this. Even if Gnome Shell was entirely stable _now_, it probably wouldn&#039;t have been included by default in Lucid Lynx. At least, I hope it wouldn&#039;t. There have been much discussion around whether an LTS should be the first or last in relation to radical changes. I think it makes great sense to let LTSes be the last distro before big changes are made. That way, we already have good documentation when the LTS is released, we have a community of helpers and support companies that are well equipped to help new users from day one of the LTS release. These things are also important, not only the stability of the software itself. But obviously, using more mature software in the LTS also means more stable software, which is important both to companies and less technical users. These groups are probably the best candidates for LTS releases as well. Besides, the quality of Ubuntu has reached a high enough level that it&#039;s not so important to use cutting edge versions anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie: We do have a distro that uses two panels and is suitable for older hardware. It&#8217;s called Xubuntu. Xfce is really quite nice, and a very good alternative to GNOME. It would be nice with an even lighter alternative using LXDE. </p>
<p>neo: I think you&#8217;re missing the point. Investment has nothing to do with this. Even if Gnome Shell was entirely stable _now_, it probably wouldn&#8217;t have been included by default in Lucid Lynx. At least, I hope it wouldn&#8217;t. There have been much discussion around whether an LTS should be the first or last in relation to radical changes. I think it makes great sense to let LTSes be the last distro before big changes are made. That way, we already have good documentation when the LTS is released, we have a community of helpers and support companies that are well equipped to help new users from day one of the LTS release. These things are also important, not only the stability of the software itself. But obviously, using more mature software in the LTS also means more stable software, which is important both to companies and less technical users. These groups are probably the best candidates for LTS releases as well. Besides, the quality of Ubuntu has reached a high enough level that it&#8217;s not so important to use cutting edge versions anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: neo</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/11/03/previewing-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6668</link>
		<dc:creator>neo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GNOME Shell cannot be default in the next release of Ubuntu because Canonical is not invested in the development of it.  Owen Taylor and others from Red Hat has invested heavily on it including development of the open source Xorg drivers to make them work together work with accelerated graphics. Red Hat has indicated that they want GNOME 3 to be out on Sept 2010 so Ubuntu will have to wait for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GNOME Shell cannot be default in the next release of Ubuntu because Canonical is not invested in the development of it.  Owen Taylor and others from Red Hat has invested heavily on it including development of the open source Xorg drivers to make them work together work with accelerated graphics. Red Hat has indicated that they want GNOME 3 to be out on Sept 2010 so Ubuntu will have to wait for it.</p>
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		<title>By: eli</title>
		<link>http://www.workswithu.com/2009/11/03/previewing-gnome-shell-in-ubuntu/comment-page-1/#comment-6653</link>
		<dc:creator>eli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 18:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the look of the Shell very much. I do however, also like the current gnome. I hope when it does become stable, and part of Ubuntu by default, that I won&#039;t be left missing anything from my nice, simple gnome of today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the look of the Shell very much. I do however, also like the current gnome. I hope when it does become stable, and part of Ubuntu by default, that I won&#8217;t be left missing anything from my nice, simple gnome of today.</p>
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		<title>By: aikiwolfie</title>
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		<dc:creator>aikiwolfie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks as though the new Gnome Shell takes a lot of cues from the more useful features of Compiz. The question in my mind is does it provide enough of what I&#039;ve gotten used to from Compiz to be worth switching?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks as though the new Gnome Shell takes a lot of cues from the more useful features of Compiz. The question in my mind is does it provide enough of what I&#8217;ve gotten used to from Compiz to be worth switching?</p>
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		<title>By: Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz) 's status on Wednesday, 04-Nov-09 01:20:32 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz) 's status on Wednesday, 04-Nov-09 01:20:32 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 01:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Links 03/11/2009: KDE 4.3.3, Mandriva 2010 Released &#124; Boycott Novell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links 03/11/2009: KDE 4.3.3, Mandriva 2010 Released &#124; Boycott Novell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 00:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Previewing Gnome Shell in Ubuntu If all goes according to plan, Ubuntu 10.10 will sport Gnome 3, which represents a radical overhaul of Ubuntu’s default graphical user interface in the form of Gnome Shell, when it debuts a year from now. In order to get a taste of what this desktop of the future will look like, I’ve spent the last few days using the development version. Here’s what I’ve found. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Previewing Gnome Shell in Ubuntu If all goes according to plan, Ubuntu 10.10 will sport Gnome 3, which represents a radical overhaul of Ubuntu’s default graphical user interface in the form of Gnome Shell, when it debuts a year from now. In order to get a taste of what this desktop of the future will look like, I’ve spent the last few days using the development version. Here’s what I’ve found. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: László Torma (toros) 's status on Tuesday, 03-Nov-09 18:34:36 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>László Torma (toros) 's status on Tuesday, 03-Nov-09 18:34:36 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel this may not run well on older equipment, and for me and maybe a few others, we try to eeek out as much life as we can out of our systems.  Maybe an option to run the new shell or old gnome at install time? This will allow me to benefit from the new kernel, but have the fall back up good ole normal gnome.  Maybe Im old school, but simplicity does have its place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel this may not run well on older equipment, and for me and maybe a few others, we try to eeek out as much life as we can out of our systems.  Maybe an option to run the new shell or old gnome at install time? This will allow me to benefit from the new kernel, but have the fall back up good ole normal gnome.  Maybe Im old school, but simplicity does have its place.</p>
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